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liament had to take that matter into con- whole, he infisted, that every invafion of fideration, the board had taken any part the legislative power on the property of in tbat buoness?

the crown, would be introducing a change Mr. Eden had stated, that the regu- in the constitution; that our conftitution lating the constirutions, legislature, and stood upon a nice equipoise, with steep judicature of the Colonies, was in the de- precipices and deep waters on all fides ; partient of that board. Upon this head A and by removing it from teaving to one he said he could speak as giving evi-lide, we run a risk of overturning it on dence, that the board never did interfere, thc other. without creating disputes with the Colo Ld Wistc-e said, he had had the honour nies, in which the authority of the crown, of ferving his majesty as governor in two being unequally committed, was always respectable fituations (Jamaica and S. impaired.

Carolina) as well as the hon. gentleman As to their superintendence over the B who spoke lately (Gov. Pownall), and settlement of Africa, and the affairs of likewise as bis majesty's representative at the Eaft India Company, he should fay a foreign court (Portugal); ard he would nothing: for the very mentioning of it, fay, that fo far froin finding the board of would be to libel and caricature the trade an useless and inefficient board, he board.

had frequenuly derived great atiftańcc Thar one of their duries was faid to from it, in the capacity he had last albe the forming plans of government for C luded to. He then entered into a detail new colonies. H hould take notice on- of the duties of the board, and was saly of two, Weft Florida and the Ceded tisfied in his own mind, that no part of Vands. The first was fo framed, that the public expenditure, which he knew it created a civil war in the province, and of, was better. or more beneficially apthe governor took one of his own forts plied, than the soool. per annum, stated by storm from his majesty's troops. As by the hon. gentleman, as the annual exto the other, that of the Ceded lsands, pence of that board. the dispute which arose about admitting D'Sir 7. M-w-y threw' ont a hint, Roman Catholicks into the legislature, that in all parliamentary enquiries, it hack was frefh in every body's memory; and been usual' for the members, thár were it was very well known, that the first re- the subject of it, to retire from the house; venue which their plans of gorernment and that therefore when the question eltablifhed, was superseded and abo- should be put, he hoped the lords of trade lished by the Court of King's Bench. would be pleased to retire. He concluded, that it was not a question E Sir Edw. Do ng adverted to the conDow, whether that board should be abo. duct of a right hon. gentleman (Mr. lished; for by appointing a secretary of R-ghp) refpeting his principle, that the ftate for the Colonies, and separating that Houle bad no controul over the king's cifecretary of late from the board of trade, vil ift. He was forry, he said, that the that board was ipso facio abulihed, and hon. gentleman liad farted a question, remained in a state of annihilation. and ordered his friends to vote for the

Mr. Adam fpoke chiefly to that part Forder of the day, to prevent its being of the principle of the bill that regards put; he thould not have wondered to the civil litt. His arguments went to have heard him say to the minifter, Yoa fhcw the dangerous tendency of impair are a very honeft clever fort of a man, ing the prerogative of the crown relative and I like you' very well ; but I could to the appointment of executive officers. with to get you turned out, that I may

The hon. gentleman (Gov. Pownall) put a man of my own into your place." had made a diftinction, he said, between G Mr. R--y observed, that the gentleexecutive officers, and the officers of the men in opposition only endeavoured to houshoid; that the former might be cur irritate him to what they did not desire tailed, the latter ought not. It he (Mr. to meet. When he said, the parliament Ada n.) were to make a diftinction at had no controul over the king's civil lili, all, it would be to reverse that propofi- he never mcant to say, that they had no tion. 'l he king was certainly the only over-ruling power in any case whatso proper judge of what officers were ne-Hörer. They certainly had. But there ceitary to carry on the executive buhness ought to be fome abuse of the civil list of government; and to take from him for proved. the power of appointing such persons, Mr. F-x wished instantly to meet the was breaking in upon one of the princi- hon. gentleman on chat ground, and to pal supports of the crown. Upon the decide upon it.

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He called upon Sir Fl-- Nor--n, as the appearance of all friend hip and confithe highest legal authority in the king- dence from bim; and hewas still at a loss dom, to give his apinion, whether there to guess what was the first cause of offence las not, in the constitution of parlia- he liad gwen. What he had dura, was ment, an inherent right in the represen to the butt of his juçgment, in diicharge tatives of the people to controul the ex- A of his duty * : if iic acted wroug, it ercise of any power in the crowo, that arose from error, not from designs and, tended to fupport the government by in- whatever others might tank, he had the fluence ani corruption against the voice fatisfa tion of having his conduct unaof the people, againit the redreliini cve nimously a yoved of by that house. ry national grievance, and in fubwrlion But such, le faid, had been the noble of the freedom and independence of par- lord's conduct in a récent transacion, as liament.

B must henceforward put and tu every Sir Fl- withed to be excuses from appearance of mutual friendhip between giving any opinion respecting matters. them; adding, that, if the noble Jord which came before that House : bis duty did not do him justice, he would thate the and inclination led him to with it; his particulars to the House, and submit to duty, left from the respectable and ho- it, how far he was bound to ri main in a nourable station he filled, his mixing in Itation when the performing the duties, debate might be supposed to create an cannexed to it was made the pretext of doimproper influence in some of lus hearing him a gross and flagrant injury: ers; and his inclination forbade him, be Lord N-th declared his total ignocause he knew from experience, that rance, of what was now alluded ro, or whatever he might support as an indisi- what grounds of offence he bad given to dual member, might be apt to bias his the right hon. gentleman, which could judgment in his other character, that of induce him thus openly to complain of jpeaker, when he came to preside in the the ill treacment he liad received at his House.

hands. If he had done any thing which After thus apologizing, the hon. gen- justified the threat now thrown out, he tleman entered largely into a vindica- protested it was cntirely unknown to cation of his own conduct, which he un him; and had no doubt but the right derstood had given some persons great of- hon. gentleman would be convinced, that fence: he then considered the bill fo far he had procceded upon mitinformation

E as the principle of it was connected with and mistake. If any negotiation was the propolition suggefted by the right carried, or carrying on, it was inore than hon. gentleman (Mr. R-by); and, laft. he knew of. ly, he adverted to the question put to Sir Fly rose in warmth; and said, he him by Mr. F-X, giving it as his opi- would not be trifled with; he would liate nion, that parliament had an inherent every particular circumftance relative to right vested in it of controuling and re- F the transaction to which lie had been gulating every branch of the public ex- alluding: pendicure, the civil lift as well as the Lord N-th said, if he had

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difcorest; but then, as the civil lift revenue very to make of what ought to be rewas a politive legal vested right, the ne vealed, he should ever dilelaim the idea ceffity for retrenchment ought to be ful of wishing to stitle or conceal it; for he ly, clearly, and satisfactorily proved, be- had nothing perfonally to hope or fear, fore parliament should offer to interfere; G upon the occalion. when, however, the ncceility was clearly Sir Fl gave the House to undermade out, it was not only the right, but stand, that, previous to his accepting the the duty of parliainent, to interpole, and Chair, he had been applied to by a wroble no less the duty and intereit of the lord then at the head of adıninistration crown to acquicice. After this declara- (Duke of G-ton), upon the death of the tion, the hon. gentleman deviated from late speaker (Sir J. (-1), to accept of the subject, and entered into a personal At the very honourable fituation he then complaint against the behaviour of the held. He had, indeed, becn trougly lominister towards him, who, ever since licited to accept of it, before he did conhis reporting the fenfe of that House, fent; becaule

' he was no ilranger to the upon presenting the money-bills at the great weight neceliarily to be done by bär of the other, had withdrawn even whoever filled that chair. But an hon.

* Alluding to his speech. See page 609; and Vol. XLVII. p. 561. SUPP. 19 GENT. MAG.

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gentleman then in his eye (Mr. R-by) knew of the transaction at the time when being sent to prevail upon him to accept the terms were made, nor looked upon of the nomination of the minister, his himself bound, when he did come to answer was, if he should consent, it know it, by any such agreement. As to must be understood, that he by no means that other affertion of the right hon. meant to be taken out of the line of his gentleman, that there was a negotiation profession; and that consequently the on foot, such as he had described, and way, whenever an opportunity offered, Athat money had been proposed to be given 1hould be kept open for his return to and received, he assured the right hon. Westminster Hall; adding, by way of gentleman, that he had been grossly misjustification, that when his character, his informed; and, as he was accused of beItanding, and his general pretenfions,were ing one of the acting parties, he was enconsidered, he believed it would not be titled to say, that no such negotiation was deemed arrogance or vanity in him to on foot as had been stated by the right

B say, that he was then at the head of his hon. gentleman. profession as a common lawyer.

A long personal altercation now enIt was farther ftipulated, that till he sued, conlisting of a number of affertions was provided for in the way of his pro and contradictions, till at length felkon (for that was the precedent condi Mr. Bun-g rose to the question; and tion of every thing which followed) he in a short but masterly speech proved, was to have the finecure place he then en-cthat the board of trade was useless; that joyed [lord chief justicefhip, in eyre] ; it was no more than a mere appendage of these were the terms offered, and upon adminiftration, no matter who or what these terms he accep'ed the place of the principles were of those who comspeaker; but he had lately heard what, poled it; and chat consequently it ought he must sav, greatly surpriécd him, that to be abolished. there had been a negeriation on foot, Attorney-gen. Wedbane (now Lord (he had it in iced from the best authori-, Lougbb_gb) observed, that while the ty, no less than the firft law oflicer of theD conversation which the committee had crown) to remove a certain chief judge jult heard between a learned gentleman (Mr. De Gy) upon pension, and to and the noble lord near him was going put another in his room (the attorney- on, had he attempted to rise, some genyeneral). He had no doubt of the hon. tlemen might have imputed it to a desire gentleman's abilities; but, confidering of stopping what it was neither his intereverycircumstancethat applied to thar hon. est nor his wish to suppress. But the gentleman and himselt, Ec did not think E conversation being now over, he could he went beyond what the affertion would no longer remain filent, nor suffer the botas him out in, when he afirmed, thar, committee to go away with an impresreiher in point of standing or profef- fion, that he wished them to suppose him Evoai liputation, the person to whom altogether unconcerned in what had been he was alluding lood fairly between hiin said. The committee had heard a great and the claims he had upon those who deal about negotiations and promises rein luced him to quit those habits of life lative to places : he, begged leave to asao protettional vietvs which were inci- Ffure them, that he hould never accuse dent to iris then fituacion.

the noble lord of breach of promise, beHe could affert, and was ready to cause he should never negotiate for emoprove, that money had been proposed to lument out or in the line of his profesbe given and received, in order to bring fion with the noble lord, or any other about the arrangement to which he now minister ; that he never should follicit it, referred; and, whenever a proper time but that, as it had hitherto happened, he cam., he wuld undertake to prore it to G would not go to it, it hould come to the fatisfaction of that Housc.

hiin ; that he would not to disgrace the Mr. R-by spoke to the original trans- profession he belonged ro, fo dcmean his action, which the right hon. gentleman own character, and betray the interests of hal, to the best of his recollection, stated his country, as to feek for finecnre emowith all posible candour and correctness Juments as a compensation for quirting to the House; but, as far as he could a protettion by which he could maintain charge his memory at this diitance of himself independent without any expence time, he never understeod that any of the to his country. particulars came regularly or properly to He said, he knew the great respect due the knowledge of the noble lord in che to the character and ficuation of the right blue ribbon.

hon. gentleman, and was ready to Low Lord N--th declared, that he neither before him; nor was he inseníible of the

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Justice of his remark, with respect to not, he said, enter any farther into his himself, when compared with the tran own defence at present, than to say, that fcendent abilities of the right hon. gen- he had formed no plans, nor purfued any zIeman. In that respect, he was as rea measures, but in concert with the mady to allow his superiority, as the learn- jority of that House; that the plans that ed gentleman had been eager to assert it. had been pursued were solely calculated But when that gentleman quitted Welt- for the support of the dignity of the minfter-hall, to slide first into the enjoy- crown, and the just rights of the people; ment of a great finecure place, and af- these being all along his motives, he feit terwards to be exalted to the high fitua- A every wanton effort of faction to traduce tion he fill held, he left behind him ma his character with no other emotion than ny who continued to labour with industry that of contempt. He was conscious and alliduity, in hopes that the line of of his innocence, and, armed with that preferment would be open to them, as a Thield, whenever an enquiry was moved Teward for their labours, and a gratifica- for against him, he would meet it with tion of their ambition. It was rather confidence, and defend it with fortitude. hardl, therefore, that the right hon. gen-B In the mean time, he wished that all imtleman should, in addition to his other putations might be suspended for that day advantages, throw his mantle over those at least, as the real business of the day he had left behind him to toil in the pro- would be fufficient to engage the attenfeflion ; that he should check their pre- tion of the House. ferment, and secure an exclusive claim to His lordfhip then proceeded to lay himself to return to that profession, not open the taxes, which have already been for the purpose of joining in the toil of noticed, see p. 150. and already been seit, but' merely to enjoy those posts of verely felt.--Some flight objections were dignity and honour which other men had, made, on the ground of hearing and in the uniform pursuit of bufiness, la- granting the prayer of the petitions of boured to merit, and hoped to receive, the people before voting the taxes : and when their turn came.

Ld G. G-n insisted on dividing the He concluded his animated speech by D Committee, when the numbers were 135 assuring Lord N-th, that as long as his in favour of the motion, to 9 againft it. lordship's political life and his went on

March 16, together, he never would remind him of The House went into the order of tire any promise he might have made to him- day, for hearing witnesses on a complaint that he never would accuse him of breach against Ld N-1b for corrupt pra&tices of promise--that he never would be for commitred by him, or by agents pretendforgetful of his own character, as to Ling to act under him, tending to influ. make private differences matter of pub ence the borough of Milbourne Port Jic complaint ; and that he would not so against the next general election. The degrade himself, or be fo loft to the de- complaint was moved by Mr. T:I.--!, corum that was due to that House, as to who, in the opinion of the House, failed .call upon them to interfere in a private in bringing the evidence home to his negotiation ; nor would he fo humble Flordskip, on which a motion being made himself, as to make a difference with a and the question proposed, “ That it apminifter the ground of his opinion upon pears to this House, that there have been a great and important political regulation. divers undue and corrupt practices re

At a quarter paft two o'clock in the spe ting the election of members to serve morning the committee divided,

in Parliament for the borough of MilFor abolithing the board of trade 207 bourne Port, at the approaching general Against it

199 Gelection," an amendment was moved, by S-lici-(

mW-, to add, at Maj. for abolishing the board of trade 8 the end of the question, these words, which is the exact number of the board. *i committed by the Rt Hon. LN-1h, March 13.

first Ld Commillioner of his Majesty's On the second part of the Budget. Treafury, or others as acting as his agents LdN--tblegan with lamenting the evil in the said transactions," which was of else day, and hoping that gentlemen Hagreed to; and then the question, thus would noc add to it by unnecetary decla- amended, being put, it passed in the nesnation on matters of personal abuse. An gative. hon. gentleman (Mr Haty] bad said

March 20. thar the country had been brought into its Mr. T. L-l, complained of the present fituarion by his plans and his partial manner his witnesses had been alpursuits; and that the heavy burthens now lowed to give their evidence, and to be imposed were the natural result of gave notice, that after the reccís he

House in another flape, when he hoped Mr. E_, Mr. P-w-Sir II to be able to bring the charge home to ---, Sir E-D--g, and those persons whose names had been so other members, expressed their strong diffrequently mentioned in the course of the approbation of interfering with his maformer day's enquiry.

jete's louboid. Mr. F-lar-> then rose and declared Mr. B-ke's observing the turn which he was unacquainted how to act in a matter the debate was likely to take, declared that had given him great uneasiness, and that if the clause, as he had mored it, in which he had felt his honour wounded was lost, all was gone. In the Treasurer by a noble Earl, who in the other Housc A of the Chamber lay his dependence; the had made an attack upon his character in Treasurer of the Chamber was the first a manner the most illiberal, He had not office of the Houthold that he had laid his only mentioned him under the contemp- hands upon, and if hat flipt through his tuous appellation of clerk, declaring that fingers, he despairedtof availing himself he ought not to be trusted with a regi- of any of the rest; if the doctrine, just ment, but had asserted, that he and his plaid down, that the King's Horijbold borshat reciment would be as ready to draw their not be touched, extended to the Treasurer swords again't the liberties of their coun of the Chaamber, the remaining claufes all try as a ainst her eneinies. He therefore turned upon the fame hirge, and if left it to the House to judge whether he one was to be excluded, there was an end ount to feel himself hurt or not.

to all the rest. He had no defign, as genEarl N.mt declared that perfonal a:- tlemer hat atierted, to limit che exrences more ought to be checked in each House of his Majesty's table. His Majesty of Pament; and after some convertation might contact for his table at a hundred on the luce, in which the Houle seemed quincas a head, and invite 100 people to coincice with his lortfip's opinion, to car at it. All he meant, and ail he the matter palit off for the preferit. wiihed for, was, that what was expended

Sir F-for--r- roles and apoio- should be wisely and honestiy laid out, gizid forving improperly brought for. He atlerted, that by the preient fustem of ward a matter foreign to the fubiect in Dæconomy introduced into his Majefty's debate when the Committee lall fat, (sce kitchen, a rat could not hare cheated the p. 597.) though he did not mean to re cooks, scullions, &c. of a scrap of cheese, trant a fillables

but at the fame time nothing was favesti

, Mr. D2 Gmy seized that opportunity becaute the expence of payiog cheats to to vindicate a venerable cha acier agaist watch cheats was so great that it amountan unjust alpersion that had been tlirown ed to more than it could poliibly cost his out, by while theaght himlelf highly E Niajelty it he was hancfomeiv cl.cated at injured. A report, le faid, had been He catorced the clause by concirculated, chat, upon the refignation of fidering the nature of the office, and thewthe Chici Justice two years ago, a fun ing tire inutility of it upon the true prinof money to the amount or 7 or 8000l. ciples of aconomy; and concluded with was paid out of the Exchequer by Lord repeating what he liad said before, that, if N-ih, and actusly lodged is the hands the quellion was carried againt him, he of a banker, for the use of this Chief Jui- Fihould take no more pains to fight it tice, in lieu of a revertion to a particular through claule for claude and line for office ia the Court of Common Pleas, ' line, but would leave it to the people to which the Chict Juftice would have had go on with it, and let them julge by the a right to the diipolal of, it it had fallen ilive how far their petitions would be wnile he conui.ued at the head of that able to procure them redress.

This report, Mir. De Gay taid, Alior. Gen. [W] thought it he wouk take upon himielf to declare, G was- treating the Committee too cavawas utterly faite.

licrb" to sleclare the whole hili neceifarily. Ld N-b rote, and confirmed what gone, it the clause for abolishing the Treas Mr. De Gyliad aticrted; and che mat jurer of the Chamber should be carried ter palieui vit, on

against the hon. gent. who patrorised Mr. B-ke's moring the fifth clause it. There were many of the principles in his bills, relative to the Treasurer ota of the bill, which, he faid, he highly apo the Chamber. Treasurer of the route-“ proved; there were others which he hold, Collerer, öcc. (lee p. 1:1). He ilought equa:ly absurd, among the lato proposed putting ait these feparate offices ter le infianced obat for serving his Mainto one office, aud atter the words jelty's Houthold by contract. He afked “ Treaturer of the Chamber" the words the hon. gent. if by his declaring, that “ be abolithed" fouid Naod [The next if the clause in quellion was not agreed clause, enacting that his Majelty's hous to the bill was gone, he meant to treat

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